From ynottnaro@yahoo.com Mon Oct 28 19:23:38 2002
Subject:Re: OT return on investment-Way OT

Oh boy....you don't even want to get me started on
this topic....because I can go a long...long....long
time on it. In fact, a fellow CloneWheel member is
the moderator of the Clavinet group. And last week he
and I had some debate via postings about the
"downloading music and Napster doesn't hurt anybody,
it actually improves their career!" topic. If you'd
like to take a look at that, I think you'll be
interested to see two very disparate viewpoints on the
subject, and maybe we can carry the topic over here.
I almost did that, but....

"Free is when you don't have to do for nothing or pay
for nothing....I want to be Free...Free as the
wind"...Frank Zappa
tony
--- rgafner wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> IMHO,
> This Artist/Pay/ROI issue shows it's ugly head
> virtually anytime there is an
> artistic discipline and powerless artists who have
> little control about
> being exploited. Fine Art Painting, Sculpture,
> Ceramics, Weaving,
> Basketweaving, Jewelry, Music performance, etc.
> None of these disciplines
> are required to return on investment until a
> business is formed, with costs
> shouldered by the artist. The artist pays until
> someone else will. Artists
> have been paying and waiting a long time. Years of
> listening/training and
> waiting so that the skills can be "donated" to the
> present moment. In the
> present culture, money is the way that appreciation
> and value is
> transferred. Applause doesn't pay the rent. When
> money changes hands then
> the comparisons begin. The opportunities to hear
> "music" are everywhere so
> this lulls the masses to complacency. Perhaps
> music performance is so
> "undervalued" because so few really listen and
> understand what it takes to
> get to "music" or so few play music themsleves.
> Phenomenal players work
> day jobs to further their musical interests at
> night, providing
> entertainment for the "passive listener". "Free"
> music has become the
> background for the rest of the daily activities on
> the planet.
>
> In addition, It has been a recent phenomenon that
> people directly pay for
> TV thru the form of cable. Most thought that TV was
> free. (Not) Radio is
> free too, isn't it? :-) (Not) NAPSTER and others.
> Free Music !!!!!(NOT)
> Large groups of people sincerely believe that
> created media in all forms
> should be free. Background Music is played from CD
> at all sorts of events,
> easy, free and under control. Music played by a
> band is urgent, costly and
> too loud, too soft, wrong mix, wrong style, etc.
> Still we play for tips
> and "exposure"!
>
> Spilling guts on a rant,
> RG
>
>
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>

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