From ynottnaro@yahoo.com Thu Oct 17 14:49:26 2002
Subject:RE: Kurweil "KB3" Mode...

Poor Deke....you are truly delusional!!!!
Well, maybe not with the Electro (the only thing I've
seen that comes close to being Playable, Portable (as
all get-out) and Palatable (not hard to listen to).

Chopping an M3? Unless you do this yourself (and
frankly the man hours entailed would prohibit most
from the job anyway) I don't see how you're going to
save money. Even chopped, I don't see how you'll lose
the term "bulky".

I can tell you after having talked to numerous techs
that the Kurzweil thing is not to be abused. They're
not the most (love this term:it's so appropriate I'm
stealing it!) ROBUST keyboards on the market.

Having just endured an XB2 at a rehearsal hall,
YECCHH! Sounded bad, played worse.

If realism isn't a necessity, just save yourself grief
and get a used XM1 module (Dave might still have his)
or an old Oberheim OB3. They got warble! You could
probably find a cheap Viscount module somewhere too.

While I wish things were smaller and lighter, I must
be handicapped: if it doesn't sound good to me, I'd
just as soon watch TV. I prefer to carry bigger
stuff, or less stuff (but make the piece or two I
bring count) than not be inspired. True, I'm only 40,
so my back may decide otherwise eventually...but
that's what the gym is for!

tony

--- Deke The Geek wrote:
> yeah, i understand, but my B4 rig is so bulky... :(
>
> i would love to pick up an electro, but that's just
> too far out of reach,
> although it would fit my (lazy) needs nicely. the
> reason the PC2 appeals to
> me is the all-in-one nature of it. i know there is a
> trade-off when you
> combine a bunch of instruments into one, but i
> really don't think i'm good
> enough for it to matter much anyway. i am still
> planning on chopping one of
> my M3's and carring it around, possibly with the
> output wired to a 1/4" out,
> which in turn goes into a dynacord or some such, but
> that project is a
> little ways off. once i do get the M3 chopped (or
> even if i carry it around
> as-is with a leslie simulator), i will probably put
> the kurzweil on top of
> it to play piano parts.
>
> i have found that all the cool things i like about
> my rig at home don't
> necessarily translate to good sound at a gig. all
> the cool nuances of
> drawbar crosstalk are suddenly overpowered by a loud
> guitarist, and all that
> really seems to matter is that whatever organ part
> i'm playing has a little
> warble to it, which sets me apart from the other
> instruments. i especially
> like the sound of ramping the leslie up and down,
> which doesn't translate
> well on the XB-2 (belongs to a friend), hence the
> desire for a CLS-222 or
> something.
>
> in the end, i only really want the organ to be
> passable enough for small
> gigs or jams, since i'll eventually be carrying the
> M3 to gigs once it gets
> chopped. also, i like the action on a PC2
> (semi-weighted) better than the
> fully weighted action of the PC2x... easier on
> rookie fingers.
>
> incidentally, i hadn't thought of using the XB-2
> with the B4 software...
> interesting concept, but a little redundant in my
> mind. the reason i would
> want to pick up an XB-2 is simply for the price...
> probably $500 or less,
> and it's self contained, even if it isn't the best
> sounding organ in the
> world.
>
> so here's my dream... i walk into a gig or a jam,
> carrying in one hand a
> folding stool and a piano stand, and in the other
> hand a soft keyboard case
> holding my keys and a couple of cables to run it
> into the PA... selfish,
> huh? i just think i would be much more apt to take
> on those gigs that pay
> $50 a head if i had something so easy to carry.
> another possibility would be
> to have two keyboards, one the PC2, playing organ
> sounds, and the other
> being my studiologic controller, playing the PC2's
> piano sounds via midi. of
> course, the bulkiest part of my whole setup is the
> studiologic controller,
> so...
>
> Deke The Geek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dougsyolists@aol.com
> [mailto:dougsyolists@aol.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:35 PM
> To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [CWSG] Kurweil "KB3" Mode...
>
> In a message dated 10/17/2002 11:42:14 AM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> deke@dekethegeek.com writes:
>
> > Or alternately, does anyone have an XB-2 to sell
> cheap? and a CLS-222 to
> go
> > with it? :)
>
> If you wanted to use the XB-2 with the B-4, in
> short, you can't (easily).
> And
> if you're using it as an XB-2, the B-4 sounds a lot
> better.
>
> H-S used a screwy way of mapping the drawbars to
> MIDI, compared to everyone
> else.
>
> Doug
>
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