From ynottnaro@yahoo.com Thu Oct 10 21:19:53 2002
Subject:Re: Live Sounds (was CX3 Frequency Deficiencies)

Hey Eric...

That's weird, about the MKS20 and voice stealing...I
never experienced that, and I'm kinda heavy on the
damper pedal. You're right about the polyphony: I
knew it wasn't "unlimited" but 16 voices was smartly
allocated because in the 10 years that I used em, I
don't ever recall having note stealing happening. I
was in a latin-rock band for a good chunk of those 10
years, and doing salsa-type comps never left me
wanting. I'd still use one if I was inclined to build
another rack. Still the meatiest live piano going.

Tony
--- Eric Lawson wrote:
> Tony,
>
> You're right...the MKS20 is a killer piano sound for
> live setting
> (not so good for recording). I used one back in the
> late 80's/early
> 90's and liked it a lot. As for polyphony, it was
> only 16 voice
> polyphonic (I refreshed my memory with my old Roland
> literature),
> which was decent for a 1986 piece of gear. A
> drawback of this was
> using the damper pedal resulting in some voice
> stealing and note
> dropping. Right now, I am content with my 64 voice
> polyphonic RD600
> which sounds great in the mix live and recorded.
>
> As for the CX3 woes, you know my stance on that. I
> too love the
> sound of the Voce V5 and Hammond's XB2/XK2, provided
> they are going
> through a Leslie or Motion Sound. The CX3 is really
> "hyped"
> sounding and gets kind of harsh in the treble range.
> I could never
> get it to really cut through MS gear on the gig.
> However, on its
> own (with Speakeasy preamp), it sounds really good
> to my ears with
> its built in Leslie sim. And it smokes through a
> 122 as well. I am
> willing to compromise a little bit on the ballsy
> tone in exchange
> for the user interface (dual drawbars, chorus
> controls) and the
> killer Leslie modeling.
>
> I have worked with the parameters quite a bit and
> have found a
> decent sound that overall keeps me happy (though the
> basic V5 is
> still the best tone in my opinion).
>
> I have done several recording sessions with my CX3,
> the most recent
> of which was stereo straight to the board with its
> internal Leslie
> sim and no preamp. When MP3s are available, I will
> let this group
> know. Upon first listen of rough mixes, it sounds
> great, especially
> the stereo Leslie sim spinning away.
>
> Back in May, I did some recordings using the CX3
> through Speakeasy
> into my MS KBR-M. This was before I had it fully
> tweaked out, but
> it sounds decent on tape. If you are interested in
> hearing the CX3-
> >Speakeasy->KBR-M sound, listen to the first 3 MP3s
> at this link:
>
> http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/284/buzby.html
>
> The keyboards are not mixed really loud, but you can
> hear the
> Hammond sound pretty well, along with some dirty
> wah-wah clav and
> some tremolo Rhodes stuff. Enjoy.
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
> >
> > As for your piano story: Try the old Roland MKS 20
> > module: It's not as realistic sounding as the
> Kurzeil
> > appears in home settings, but live...it has real
> girth
> > and sticks out big time. Unlimited polyphony
> which
> > was amazing for its vintage. Greg Allman STILL
> uses
> > his live. And he has to cut through TWO drummers,
> a
> > percussionist, Oteil, Warren and Derek. It still
> > sounds great. (no effects on board except tremolo)
> >
> > Tony
> >
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