From DAVIDO@LYNXFS.COM Fri Nov 15 05:41:20 2002
Subject:Put it in Perspective... Re: Perspective

It's great that this topic keeps resurfacing, despite the fact that
it depresses us lowly souls that don't own a real B3. I'll tell you
why i think this is. Because there are people like us that want the
sound of a B3 and also dream of being able to stick that sound in a
flightcase and stuff it on the back seat of a car, companies like
Korg, Clavia, NI and dare i say it even H-S will continue to strive
to perfect what they have. The important thing is that there is a
market, albeit a relatively small one, but this is a market that
knows what it wants, and will happily lose money on a currently owned
product as soon as something better comes along. I don't care what
anyone says, guitars are guitars more or less, as long as you buy
something remotely decent and provided your an ok player, you can
sound like the next guy. Keyboards and especially Hammond clones, are
not like this, each new product that comes out just sounds that
little bit better and has just a few more of those nuances that make
the B3 sound so timeless. So, we'll keep spending out to keep up.

Now, if you think about the current crop of digitally modelled
organs, the technology has only been around for 10 years or so, which
is a relatively short time. Hammond's were in production for 20 years
or so before the B3/C3 hit the market. Now i'm not trivialisng the
model A, the basic principles of the tone generator was right from
the beginning, but it was the B3/C3 that put Hammonds on the map and
it's these models that we're all trying to emulate. Like the
venerable tone generator, the basic principles of digital modelling
are correct, otherwise the CX3/Electro would not sound as damn close
as they do, but there's still plenty of room for improvement. Clearly
Hammond felt the same way about their early models, otherwise the
beast would never have evolved into the B3.

So as long as there are groups of people like us, who know what we
want and are prepared to keep searching for it, it has to come
eventually. Ok, you may never capture the feel, or 'smell' of the B3,
but i can live without that. What i'm interested in is the sound.
I'm a CX3'er and i like it and will live with it's deficiencies, at
least until the next generation of products comes along. But, trying
to put it all in perspective, the current technology has some way to
evolve before it can really give us what we all want. The 'exact'
sound, without any compromise, of a B3. I don't care about leslie
simulators really, i can squeeze a 145 into my car and i'm quite
prepared to do so for the sound it produces, but this is never going
to be an option with any model of tonewheel organ. What i want is for
someone to produce a clone that really does have that tone. IMO no
one has managed to achieve that yet. But they will... provided people
like Mark L can continue to eloquently describe what it is that they
are missing. Keep listening to us Korg, Clavia, H-S etc!!!!!

Dave

--- In CloneWheel@y..., "Previte, Peter" wrote:
> Well, years ago (hmmmm...23 maybe?) I owned a beautiful A100 which
I ran
> through a Leslie (740 or 760 - it had the silver grill cloth with
the black
> Tolex covering) and playing the combination WAS heaven. I was in a
5-piece
> rock/soul band and played that organ for 4 years. Then the band
shrunk down
> to a trio (including a 102lb girl singer) and we didn't have the
luxury of
> enough hands to lug around the Hammond anymore. (Keep in mind the
A100 had
> the extra "furniture" including speakers). I had to sell it and
bought a
> used Vox which I still ran through the Leslie. After many years
(and
> keyboards) I discovered the (new) CX-3. The two sets of drawbars,
the
> positioning of the Vibrato knob and percussion buttons, the feel of
the
> keys, the incredible Leslie sim effect... and then the sound. It
brought me
> back to the A100 I used to have, both in familiarity of the layout
of
> controls, and in that unmistakable Hammond sound. For me, this was
perfect.
> The "B3" sound in something that was a thrill to play and easy to
transport.
> That's why I say...
> attack...
> tone...
> "live" sound...
>
> The CX-3 gives me all that. And you can add one more...
> portability! :-)
>
> Hey... it's the weekend... I'm, nowadays, a "weekend warrior"
> It's gigging time! YEAH!!!
>
> Have a great one and enjoy whatever you've got, brother!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Longo [SMTP:mlongo@h...]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 4:26 PM
> > To: CloneWheel@y...
> > Subject: Re: [CWSG] Perspective
> >
> > --- In CloneWheel@y..., "Previte, Peter" wrote:
> > > Hmmm.....
> > > Attack?
> > > Tone?
> > > "live" sound?
> > >
> > > I get it all with my CX-3!
> >
> > I agree that to some extent the CX-3 does actually deliver these
> > things. I have clocked quite a few hours on a CX-3 and Leslie
145 in
> > a lot of different situations. But the point of my earlier
message
> > was just that the B-3 delivers these things by the mile, where
> > perhaps the CX-3 deliveres them by the yard. I don't mean to put
> > down the CX-3, just to say how well the B-3 does these thing.
> >
> > Or are you saying that your experience is that the CX-3 does
these
> > things as well as the B-3?
> >
> > Mark Longo
> >
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