From DAVIDO@LYNXFS.COM Tue Jul 23 04:39:51 2002
Subject:Re: 'other end'

I run my CX3 in one of 2 ways.
1) CX3 using onboard Sim -> Speakeasy pre amp -> Backline (or desk)
2) Cx3 -> Speakeasy pre amp -> Motion Sound gear

Here's what i think about these 2 configs:

1) Simple to setup and dial in the right sound, CX3 thru the
Speakeasy sounds good straight to the desk/backline amp. For a clean
sound on tremelo i actually prefer the sound of the CX3 simulator
over the Pro3T on the same setting, just sounds more lush, but you
have to play around with the CX3 Leslie settings. I like Horn 45
Rotor 55 balance with the horn MIC distance set at 50 and the Rotor
MIC distance set at 75. I set the Pre amp Volume to flat out and use
the Pre amp Treble control to adjust post gain, keeping the bass
control at 9 O Clock. Sounds great with 888000000, 2nd Perc. and
plenty of leakage.

2) More complicated gain structure to play with as you have the
pre/post gain on the Pro3T to worry about. Once set correctly the
Pro3T does sound better at ramp up/ramp down but the difference is
prety slight. As said above, the tremelo speed can IMO, actually
sound better using the CX3 sim, although it's a difficult comparison
as you are comparing a true rotating horn in a room, vs a processed
simulation that builds in the effect of MIC placement etc. When i say
better i don't necessarily mean more realistic!
If you need a really grungy O/D sound then the Pro3T config wins
everytime, i can't get the same result using just the Speakeasy on
it's own, but it's not that often i want that much distortion.

In conclusion, the Pro3T probably sounds more like a real Leslie than
the CX3 sim, but this is all about perception anyway, generally the
CX3 on-board sim can be made to sound real nice, i'm not saying it
sounds exactly like a Leslie 122, i'm just saying it sounds 'nice'.

Using the Pro3T with pre amp you'll need to spend a lot of time and
effort to get the right stage sound. For me in a live situation with
a band the differences are so minimal that i don't bother with the
Pro3T anymore as it takes too long to dial in the right sound. The
CX3 sim and the Speakeasy give me a perfectly acceptable organ sound
for a live mix. For recording work i'd say drag along the Pro3T as
you have the time and a more controlled environment to mess around
and get the best out of the rig. If you need loadsa grunge, then the
Pro3T is essential, ok, you can dial in grunge on the CX3 board but i
hate that as it sounds really digital. I usually set the Amp Gain to
0 on the CX3 and never higher than about 15.

I guess it would be even better if the CX3 had an effects loop so you
could place the Pre Amp in front of the Leslie sim, but i think the
difference would be pretty subtle.. given the minimal difference that
i can hear between the Pro3T and the on-board sim.

Dave

--- In CloneWheel@y..., Bruce Wahler wrote:
> Hi Galen,
>
> >Suppose you arrive at a gig, (say, an opening act for someone else
or one of
> >several acts) and for whatever reasons out of your control, you
must use a
> >Leslie sim. However, further suppose that you *do* have the choice
of using
> >or not using something like an H&K Red Box in line after the
Leslie sim (and
> >subsequently sent to the mains). Would you opt for the inclusion
of the
> >'straight' speaker emulator, piggy-backed to the Leslie sim?
>
> Depends on the clone, and any other gear that you might have in the
chain. Personally, I like the CX-3 with a tube preamp and a little
mixing-board EQ, nothing else. The internal speaker simulator is
pretty good, so I don't think a second one is going to improve things
much. If I was using a different clone, or a clone with a G4,
Rotosphere, or other outboard sim, I might feel differently.
>
> Regards,
>
> -BW
>
> --
> Bruce Wahler
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