From jrapetti@netdoor.com Thu Jan 24 14:48:55 2002
Subject:Re: Leslie Simulators

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> Hi Bill,
>
> I read your post with interest. I too have had a special interest in

> simulators for a different reason. I have a Leslie 145 at home but
> don't always get the chance to play my Hammond through it and don't
> ever really get the chance to practice pieces over and over so the
> sim has become important to me. I can experiment using a clone, in
my
> case, the V3 and the e-mu B-3, together with my keyboard and
> headphones and also as an amateur, recording through line is far
> easier than using a microphone.
> However I still want a good Leslie sim. I too am interested in
> hearing the new Vertigo. I see that Alesis also have a multi-purpose

> FX featuring amongst other things, a Leslie sim, so perhaps their
> World-class simulator (the Vertigo) will indeed be up with the new
> clone contenders such as clavia, as new algorithms will surely have
> been developed by such a major company.
>
> Reading your post, I see you have adopted and discarded quite a few
> contenders, a couple of which puzzle me. First the Pro3T. We don't
> really get the opportunity to hear Motion-Sound products in the UK
> but as it appears to be a satifactory replacement for the Leslie,
> could you explain what it was about the product which didn't
convince.
> As it features a true rotating horn it must be up above the purely
> electronic as a Leslie substitute, or is it merely that the group
you
> play with won't allow the cabinet on stage and you didn't want to
> resort to microphones? Did you consider the RS-147 4u rack-mount M-S

> product?
>
> Also the Rotosphere was confined to your recycle bin, and this
> electronic device is extremely popular, and whilst not a perfect
> match for a Leslie, it can be made to sound like it moves air like a

> rotating speaker quite convincingly too with a little tweaking and
> EQ'ing.
>
> I'm surprised that you choose a Korg G4 above the H & K for whilst
it
> gives a decent cabinet simulation and slow rotating Leslie effect, I

> could never get it to sound like the fast Leslie tremelo, it always
> sounded to me like a cheesy vibrato. I've used the G4 for tube
> simulation in conjunction with the Hughes and Kettner (for the
> rotation) quite effectively though but it was an inconvenient
option.
>
> I downloaded the clavia Nord-Electro mp3 and have to admit that it
> does sound close and I am awaiting with interest the UK price to be
> of their rack-mount Electro to be announced soon.
>
> In the meantime I'm enjoying my new (old) toy, the Dynacord CLS222,
> truly an amazing simulator; musical in the manner of the H & K but
> IMHO much more closely capturing the nuances of movement produced by

> the real deal. Mind you it should do when you consider the original
> cost. They still come onto the market. They don't simulate tube
growl
> but that can be better achieved by using a tube pre-amp in any case.
> I'm now looking to get a DLS223 in my search for Nirvana. One thing
> about buying old but good technology is that it is no longer
> expensive. The CLS222 cost in the region of £900 when new; quite an
> amount for a one trick FX. I paid £150 for mine.
>
> snip >>Thank's to Dave Amels the Voces satisfy my
> > Hammond Clone needs << I'll second that,----
>
> Dave Amels is a bit of an unsung hero. The V3 and the V5 really
> reached close to the old B-3 and is a marvel of technology, warm
> strong sounds, screaming in the last octave, good percussion (after
> the resistor tweak), and also importantly no phasing when playing
> chords unlike the excellent but flawed OB3^2, and a very fair
chorus
> too, not as strong as the original maybe but realistic sounding
> nevertheless. Even the Spin/(2) was/is an excellent Leslie sim,
> particularly at fast speed, just a bit noisy in the original V3.
>
> Regards, Thomas.
>
> Hey guys, enjoyed reading the posts about the leslie sims. I too had
the motion sound pro 3 with the tube overdrive. A great unit although

> , I had trouble miking it up onstage. I loved the unit in my V3 and
with my other bandmates around, they had a hard time telling the
difference between that and the motion sound. I sold the V3. after
getting a great deal on the new CX3 and I am now using the internal
leslie on the Korg. The H&K device had a great overdrive but an
unrealistic rotary fast sound, so I gave it back to Guitar Center. Now
as a backup I am using a Blue Tube II preamp and the Dynacord CLS 222.
They work great together. I got them both at www.musicgoround.com at
real good prices , at two of their pawn shops in the US. Check out
their site, and type in the gear you want. They usually always
negotiate prices. Just my 2 cents, Joe
>
> --- In CloneWheel@y..., "jubaoffice" wrote:
> > Hello All,
> > Thank you, Etienne, for becoming the co-moderator of this forum.
> > Special thanks to Bruce Wahler for continuing as co-also. Bruce
> > your clarity of thought (and thoughtfulness) and expertise are
> > astounding! I am a re-tired public school music teacher (K-12)
> > and now find my self playing and singing in a Classic Rock
> > "Corporate" Show Band. At 57, I qualify as Classic and my
> > choreography does resembles a rock. My problem is Leslie
> > simulation. The band will not allow "ANY" amps on stage. The
> > guitar and bass players go direct to the mains through Tech 21
> > pre-amp stomp boxes and I'm using either a Voce V3
> > w/drawbars or a V5 into a Korg G4. It's close but not quite
there!
> > This group has talked about the Leslie simulators in both the
> > Korg CX-3 and the Nord Electro as superior to anything available
> > in a digital simulator. I had used the H&K Rotosphere for 6
> > months (sold it) and a Motion Sound Pro 3T for one and a half
> > years (sold it). I know I'm picky. Since I'm told the Korg
> > Corporation reads this list, will they be putting out a "NEW"
> > Toneworks G4? Has anyone heard/tried the Alesis Vertigo?
> > ("The Vertigo is a world-class Leslie simulator") Will Nord put
out
> > a Lezlie stomp box, Mark Z? I have a Hammond A100 and four
> > Real Leslies. Thank's to Dave Amels the Voces satisfy my
> > Hammond Clone needs but is there help for the other 40% of the
> > Hammond clone sound. I want to thank the Clonewheel member
> > that took the time to give out his "tweaks" for the Spin in my V3.

> > They really helped.
> > Bill Bolick
>
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