From vsedm@iMars.com Wed Jan 23 04:49:59 2002
Subject:Re: Units on the market

Steve,

I might add them to the site, in a separate categorie.

I do believe they emulate the Hammond sound and with a computer are some
kind of module... but I
really doubt you will dedicate a laptop only for this.

Also, adding this one, would also mean adding Gigasampler with the 600+ MB
hammonds samples
available on the market and doing a nice job...

I don't want to push the debate a little too far (I didn't wanted a debate
at first!), so we
can concentrate on giving our thoughts on those units and finding the best unit
that will fill our needs... even if it is a Yamaha S80, Voce unit, B4 or
XB-3M..!

Well, let's stop this endless thread and discuss of those old and new
keyboards! :)

Etienne

At 23:32 2002-01-22 -0800, you wrote:
>Don't see why my definition eliminates the Nord Electro. Its virtual
>drawbars make it clear that its primary purpose is to emulate the B3--not
>the other instruments that seem (to me) to have been added as an
>afterthought, like the orchestral sounds etc in the VK7.
>
>BTW, what are your thoughts on the NI B$ software as a B3 Clone?
>
>---Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Fliege
> To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 1:12 AM
> Subject: RE: [CWSG] Re: Units on the market
>
> Well, my original goal was to muddy up the waters a bit and I think I've
> done an admirable job ;-)
>
> (sgtpepper writes)
> > I may have missed the point, but I don't think that keyboards like the
> Kurzweil and the Yamaha mentioned in the other posts pass the primary
> test >
> mentioned by Bruce: the unit's PRIMARY purpose is to serve as a Hammond
> Organ emulator. These units may have excellent Hammond emulations, > but
> their primary purpose is "General Purpose Synth"
>
> This definition would eliminate the Nord Electro from the list o'
> clones. I
> agree with Bruce's definition (b) about an independent Hammond mode being
> necessary. KB3 Mode on a Kurzweil is created with physical modeling and is
> much more than just a ROMpler.
>
> (Dan writes)
> > I agree Ed. I would also add the Kurzweil PC2 to the list, since it has
> the same KB-3 mode.You have to use a toggle switch to get to eight >
> drawbars (only four sliders), but it has much more polyphony so you are
> able
> to use it in a setup. The KB-3 mode on the 2500 and 2600 sucks up most
> of >
> the polyphony of the instrument so it is almost impossible to use it in a
> multi-sound setup.
>
> The PC2 slipped my mind (and I have one). Both the K2500/2600 and the PC2,
> when in KB3 Mode, have 48-note polyphony, which is plenty of notes for any
> smear my big old paws can accomplish. Sliders/drawbars and non-Hammond
> action are a problem on the keyboard versions of these units, but as I
> wrote
> earlier the rack versions coupled with organ-feel MIDI controllers and MIDI
> sliders would work very well. I used my K2000 (61 note, synth feel) to
> control a PC2 rack with great results.
>
> > I do not care for the KB-3 sound as much as I like the CX-3, but when
> stage space and/or load-on time is tight, there is an advantage to
> > using only one keyboard and no modules.
>
> I agree. I prefer my CX-3 for live gigs; it's just really fun to
> play. But
> for short, pick-up gigs I usually just take one of my Kurzweils.
>
> (please take note of my tongue firmly planted in my cheek) It's time for a
> new poll!! There's new stuff from NAMM, and now my beloved Kurzweils
> qualify for esteemed clone status. And don't forget the Alesis "Vertigo".
> Now that you have a helper Bruce, it should be no problem to keep the poll
> du'jour current ;-)
>
> Impishly yours,
>
> Ed Fliege
> k2mojo@groovedaddies.com
> www.groovedaddies.com
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