From egbdf13579@yahoo.com Tue Jan 22 06:50:56 2002
Subject:Re: Units on the market

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OK Bruce---

I can see your point, altho isn't the "sound" the thing? AND,
that "sound" is very subjective, judging by the discourse on this
forum. I just observe that, purely from a financial point of view,
some of these clones are WAY overpriced for what they do (or don't do
I should say).

That being said, I still really enjoy this forum from an educational
standpoint as to what's out there to be bought, stolen or just
coveted...

Jay

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--- In CloneWheel@y..., Bruce Wahler wrote:
> Jay/Ed,
>
> I think we have to define a "Hammond clone" here. I'll go with
whatever the group decides, but in my mind --
>
> A Hammond clone should attempt to copy most or all of the
idiosyncrasies of the Hammond organ. Also, a) it's primary purpose
should be that of a Hammond organ, or b) it should have a dedicated
mode where the Hammond features are called. Using this definition,
organs and organ modules like the Emu B-3, Hammond XK-2, KORG CX-3,
Roland VK-7, and Voce V5 clearly pass the (a) test. Products like
the Nord Electro pass the (b) test, and I guess the Kurzweil products
do, too.
>
> However, that's where I would choose to draw the line. I have used
a KORG DW-8000, Yamaha TX-81z, Roland D-50, and Alesis S4 to simulate
a Hammond B-3, and have been successful to a greater or lesser degree
in all cases, but I would hesitate to call any of them a full-
fledged "Hammond clone." The same thing goes with a Roland "rompler"
using the "Keyboards of the 60's and 70's" card: To me that's not a
full clone. The sounds may be dead-on, but there are often only a
few of them. Also, adjusting key click, vibrato, crosstalk,
overdrive, and even the drawbar levels is often not a straightforward
task.
>
> Please don't take this as a slap at anyone who chooses to use a
general-purpose synth, sampler, or rompler to get their Hammond
sound. I just feel that there should be a fixed requirement for
calling an instrument a Hammond clone. Let me use an analogy: I can
sing lead to Stone Temple Pilots songs, with a fairly convincing
timbre, but that does not necessarily make me a "Scott Weiland
clone." To qualify for that, I would need visual cues as well:
similar hairstyle, copied stage mannerisms, and such.
>
> Perhaps we should have a second category of "Hammond simulators" or
something.
>
> Regards,
>
> -BW
>
> --
> Bruce Wahler
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> bruce@a...
>
> At 02:00 P 1/22/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> >On the same subject as what Ed was discussing...
> >
> >If we're calling the Kurzweil controller a clone, we probably have
to
> >call my Yamaha S-80 one as well. I wouldn't have thought so early
on
> >when I bought it, as the onboard B-3 presets are only fair and the
> >Leslie sim is tolerable at best. But the S-80 is VERY tweakable,
and
> >I found the drawbar elements to be great to my surprise, and with
the
> >addition of the H&K Rotosphere for tube warmth and a killer Leslie
> >sim, I was in business.
> >
> >Yes, it's weighted action but you'd be surprised what can be
> >accomplished here. I use this as my only board (gigs are about
25%
> >piano, 25% Rhodes, 50% organ) but after reading about the new
stuff
> >at NAMM, I may not be able to control myself---where's my darn
Visa?
> >
> >Jay