From richardon@nexgo.de Sun Sep 02 20:07:49 2001
Subject:Aw: Change of mind

Hi mike !

I own old Cx3, new Cx3, phili Gm... but I sold my VK7.

Is Vk7 good for stage ? I think for kind of Jazz music Vk7 does the
Job, in spite of some serious bugs. For rock music she is even not
as good as an old Cx3. If you plan to buy a VK7 have a look at following:

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SOFTWAREBUGS !!! (perhaps in some models fixed)
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1) Under some strange conditions operating system of VK7 hangs up.
Like already described. From time to time you have to turn OFF/ON VK7.
Funny if that happens during gig.
2) Another bug, that is not so well known. (only my model?)
You can programm reverb time 0-127. But you cant store all values !!!
One bit gets lost. So maximal reverb time is 63 ! Sounds terrible.
Little improvement if you replace reverb with delay.
Check that before buying your VK7 ! Any comment by other VK7 user ?
3) There seems no support for OS updating to fix bugs, on the Roland
home pages. Just remember keyboard problem with old D50,
ROLAND seems still prefers to ignore customer support.
Buy it and eat it !

... does not provide reverb !
... softwarebugs cant be fixed online !

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OVERDRIVE
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Forget it ! Any diode, transistor or even OP AMP like in old CX3 does
it better than virtuall amp modelling in VK7. Seems to be same algorithm
as in XP, JV series. Perhaps getting better, connecting a volume pedal ?
There is no chance by tweakiling even to emulate overdrive of old CX3 !
Tweak and tweak, Leslie overdrive is out of discussion.
What in the world these japanese guys try to emulate ? Transistorradio-
overdrive ! But its even worst !

... VK7 does not provide overdrive !
( main reason, she cant be used as rock organ)

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LESLIE
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Sounds not bad. BTW
Did anybody get aware too, that ROLAND is very tricky in saving development costs ? This lady of female choir, that can be heard in
all ROLAND series, wonder if she is still alive ? :-)
But the choir of VK7 is an exception, really great ! Best sound of VK7 !
Almost better than its organ sound.
Rest of samples is pure, except vibraphone.
Of course Leslie effect is nothing new, sounds somehow like Leslie algorithm of XP or JV Series.

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Drawbarsound
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... is very sinus ! Was physical modell f(t)=sin(w*t) ?
But sounds not bad, for Jazz application better than old CX3.
Old CX3 had to use TOC 80's tecnologie !
VK7 being a little bit static and character missing. Perhaps harmless
is the best word. But thats a matter of taste. In VK77 there seems to be
a second drawbarset with more harmonics.
( BTW: On new CX3 harmonics of drawbars can be adjusted continously.
from mellow B3 to VOX )

Choose single 8' Drawbar and compare glissando with it on old/new CX3
and VK7. Different worlds !

More... ? e.g. VK7 harpening on my homepage.

... your band including guitar player, increasae volume of VK7 +20 dB.

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Keyclick
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Another virtuall masterpiece :-) Choose value zero, its really terrible.
But can be easily improved. Replacing japanese high tecnoligy phyisicall
modelling risc pcocessor supported white noise emulation by one of the
VK7 klick samples. Should be the first step to improve the VK7 sound.

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Keyboard
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With velocity, not waterfall, but notes come very quick.

CONCLUSION:

VK7 seems to be an bad clone ?
If you dont use additional equipment: YES.

Improvements:
Because of the reverb bug, use another reverb unit !
Disortion and Leslie has to be replaced too. Using HK rotosphere
or POT seems to be an even chaper solution than new CX3.
... and live performance functions of VK7 are much better than new CX3.

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IN LIVE PERFORMANCE VK7 IS THREE TIMES BETTER THAN NEW CX3 !!!
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1) She is easier for transportation, smaller, lighter.
(For new CX3 i actually use a Masterkeyboard Softbag )
2) Is new CX3 really massiv natural wood ? Vk7 is for some pieces.
3) All performance funcions on VK7 are supported with very solid,
big, nice looking vintage switches.
4) On Vk7 Bank Selection is available for different modes.
Containing A/B Mode for 16 differnert sounds in two banks.
Thats great for live performance, supportet by the huge
switches.

On new CX3 Sound switching is a big disaster ! Provided by
black low cost switches on a black panel. A/B bank switching
is not supported anyway. The switches are an blame for such an
expensive instrument !!!

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PERCUSSION
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In spite of some hammond user not sharing my opinion. I like the VK7
percussion very very much. Best of this clone. Especially the 4'
Percussiion is really great. Not because of the sound, but the behavior of the percussion amplitude in the last octave. Giving this organ at least for one theme somehow a little bite of character.
Have a look at my homepage to study VK7 percussion.
New CX3 is closer to Hamond Percussion, but VK7 percussion is better.
Hammond is a great organ, but thats no reason, that she cant be improved

... there is no dought new CX3 being the best clone in all cases.
But naturally including another bug like all modern clones.
Japanese ears seem to have some problems with high frequencies.
Dont they hear the totally missplaced ratio of high drawbars ?
Have a look at my old CX3 Circuits. Every drawbar adapted with
a different resistor to obtain a lovely sound, obtaining for all cases
a warm frequencie spectrum, even in fullbarr.

New CX3 is teribble sharp in fullbar.
VK7 has no brightness in fullbar:
Old CX3 has no problems with that silly problem.

sorry this mail being so long, but optimal organ is not easy

ciao richy



> Hi guys. This is Mike. I notice that with the V5 organ module it does
> take time to set up the equipment and now since I have some money
> coming to me from a lot of gigs I like to know is the VK 7 road
> worthy? I still don't have enough for the CX3. So I 'm thinking about
> the VK 7 . Let me know.
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