From mpituch@hotmail.com Tue Jul 10 15:13:03 2001
Subject:Re: [OT] Opinions: Keyboard vs Korg CX-3

Hi:

This is my last word on this thread.

I didn't or join this discussion to have anyone agree or disagree with me. I
simply stated my personal views in order to, hopefully, help anyone trying
to make the clone/Hammond choice a little easier. Lord only knows how much
time we've all wasted, not to mention dollars spent, trying, buying and
playing instruments we eventually become dissatisfied with. (Digital pianos
anyone?)

I personally feel only the real sound of tubes and tonewheels capture the
ideal for me. Others really like clones and or clone/lez hybrids. What's
important is the sharing of information so we all can become as learned on
the subject as we can. That way less time and cash will be spent on
instruments not suitable to our needs. I wish there were groups like these
in the '70s when I was spending a fortune on the latest and greatest.
("You're only limited by your imagination"...Remeber that catchphrase?...so
does my bank)

This was fun, a great forum.
Mark P.

>From: Larry Schurr
>Reply-To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
>To: CloneWheel@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [CWSG] [OT] Opinions: Keyboard vs Korg CX-3
>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:41:52 -0500
>
>Prepare to gasp.
>
>I submit that I agree wholeheartedly with Mark :-)
>
>While playing last nite (and sweating like the proverbial pig) on my
>"Frankenclone", through a tube pre and Pro3, it occured to me that,
>though the sound was largely accurate, pleasant, expressive, and rich
>(humble, ain't it? :-) the playing experience as a Hammond is still
>not there -- and actually not even close (geez that hurt) to the real
>thing. Nope. At a bench, with 4 sets of draws, with 2 leslies, etc.
>hasn't been cloned. And I'm coming to the realization that it means
>more than I ever thought.
>
>And were I to be recording, and already pressured atmosphere, that I,
>too, would opt for the B if available over any clone or combination.
>(ouch -- still tender).
>
>IMO, it's clear that Hammonds are precisely where Harleys were 10 years
>ago. I've owned some of both. Today, the Harley fever and frenzy has
>subsided. The prices are still higher than they once were, but not like
>during the ascension. Today, they'll launguish in the want-ads for days
>and weeks where they were once snapped up in hours by word of mouth.
>
>But today, a good many "cloner" exist. Some with nary a single HD part.
>There were always vehicles that would out-perform the HD by every
>possible metric; but not match the 'experience'. Today, many clones
>do just that.
>
>I'm certain we're on the threshold of seeing someone, somewhere, bring
>to market a very Hammond-like instrument for less than the price of liver
>transplant. That someone should be me, but in my heart of hearts I know
>that some large foreign corporation will beat me to it.
>
>Done Yappin'
>Larry
>
> > Hi:
> >
> > > >my Voce/Rotoshpere, but I sure wouldn't record with it if I had a
>choice.
> > >
> > >Would you record it, either with a jazz quartet or with a blues band?
> >
> > Neither (or both) I, I'm just speaking for myself, would never use a
>clone
> > to record anything I felt was important, any recording really, if I had
>the
> > option of a real Hammond/Leslie. You could "get away with" a clone for
>rock
> > where the keyboards always seem to buried by a key-loathing producer.
>Better
> > yet, a decent clone through a tube Leslie is a fine sounding combo
>useful
> > for almost anything. Third, you can record a clone playing any style of
> > music you like! Remember,The (CBI) Clone Beaureau of Investigation will
>not
> > arrest you or anything. BUT...later you may find the sound is lacking.
>(Or
> > you may love it! Who knows?) I know Joey D. has played and endorsed Voce
> > products. He's sort of a good player...wouldn't you say? In other words,
>you
> > must make up you own mind by playing/listening to different instruments
> > until you hit the right one. Sounds expensive huh? Welcome to the real
> > world!!!
> >
> > >
> > >Each time I get by Montreal (soon moving there), I try the one that
>they
> > >have.. Roland VK-7 and Korg CX-3 are usually the one they carry.. no
>Voce,
> >
> > Well, not to say anything negative, but Steve's Music Montreal doesn't
>carry
> > the other clones? Surprising! Steve's in Toronto does, or used to
>anyway.
> > Keeping looking or try to find a rental outlet. Also, try to see if any
> > local bands have the instruments you're interested in. Last, we have all
>of
> > these clones in Toronto. Maybe time for a road trip?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
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