From bruce@ashbysolutions.com Mon Nov 06 18:02:20 2000
Subject:Re: [Voce] V-3 Double Manual Hookup


RG,



I have been using a two-manual V3 setup for a couple of years now, and I
think I've learned most of the ins and outs of it.  I can tell you
how it's SUPPOSED to work -- in reading your description, you may have a
MIDI or operational error, or you might have something broken in the mix;
it's hard to tell which without more information -- and you can take it
from there.



For simplicity's sake, let's ignore the pedal manual for now. 
(Overall, the pedal manual is exactly like the Lower manual, but it only
has 25 notes, rather than 61.)  We'll put the Lower manual on CH1,
and the Upper manual on CH2.



Both manuals should respond to drawbar changes on their respective
channels.  Both of them also respond to the Morph parameter --
again, only on their respective channels -- so you can actually use four
sets of drawbars, if you can find 'em.  If you only have one set,
you can choose to connect it to the Upper or Lower channel.  If you
change the Morph on CH2, the CH1 tone should stay the same as
before.



Calling up patches works in a similar manner:  In our example,
sending a Patch=11 (P11) message on CH2 would call this sound to the
Upper manual, while sending it on CH1 would map it to the Lower
manual.  What confuses the issue a bit is that while the V3 allows
the Upper and Lower patches to be saved together in splits, it does NOT
work in dual-manual modes.  If you are on Upper=P11 and Lower=P22,
and you send a P12 on CH2, the Lower patch stays at P22; you must send a
second patch change message on CH1 to change the lower timbre.  I
tried faking the V3 out by setting a "split" with the split
point below the lowest C on the Upper, but that just results in a fully
muted Lower manual.



The "global" settings -- keyclick, hum, overdrive,
vibrato/chorus, volume, expression, Spin, and EQ -- can only be
controlled by the Upper, which is why a single set of drawbars is usually
mapped to the Upper channel.  Likewise, the percussion settings only
affect the Upper; a B-3 only allows percussion on the Upper manual, and
the V3 follows suit.



That's how it SHOULD work, unless something is broken in your setup, or
you have the Upper channel set to Omni mode.  The only other anomaly
that I've seen is that if you set both manuals to the same timbres --
say, 888800000 -- and play the same note on each manual, you don't just
get a slightly louder note; there are some (unwanted) high harmonics that
get added as well.  Why is anybody's guess.  It only happens
when the two manuals are playing the same note.



Best regards,



-BW



At 07:27 p 11/06/2000 -0500, you wrote:

Any advice on what I might be doing
wrong in trying to set up a two manual V-3 set-up?



 Before I had a 2nd Midi controller, I had successfully (?) set up
an upper manual (Midi controller and V-3 upper manual receive on the same
number) and then set up a Roland PK-5 Pedalboard set by dialing in the
same, but different from the upper manual,  Midi channel into both
Pedal on the V-3 and on the PK-5 .  The Pedal default number could
be anything but I chose the low, bassy sound of a preset suggested by
Bruce Wahler. 



Now I have the 2nd Midi Controller, Upper Manual set to transmit on 1,
receive in the V-3 on 1.  On the Lower Manual, I have the controller
on 2, V-3 set to lower manual receive on 2.  No bass pedals set at
this time.  There seems to be a variable setting for tone preset for
the lower manual which I set to any number that sounds good. 
Theoretically this setting should remain and sound out when played? 
Right? 



Then I play the lower manual, initially the lower manual sounds out the
setting and then when I play the upper manual and then the lower manual,
both manuals seem to mimic each other and sound the same note and
pitch.  Only one note will sound if the same note and pitch is
depressed on the two midi manuals, upper manual ahead of the lower or
vice versa (ie. the 2nd note value depressed is silent).



I thought that the V-3 would allow two different settings to be assigned
to each, upper and lower. and that the same note (eg. C4 ) on each of the
midi controllers would  result in both notes sounding out, even if
played simultaneously, irregardless of note strike order, etc.



Also, I have  set of drawbars.  These regularly are wired to
affect the upper manual? Yes?



I've followed the V-3 manual but have this fundamental issue of the two
manual hookup.



On what manual does the modulation morphing occur when two manuals are
used?  I have used that morphing feature alot when only using the
upper manual, to great effect.



Any ideas?



Organically,

RG





 






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